We shrink, for very shame, from treating of the subject of boys. Fear ye the Merciful, O peoples of the world! Commit not that which is forbidden you in Our Holy Tablet, and be not of those who rove distractedly in the wilderness of their desires.
(The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 58)
And:
The Bahá'í teachings on sexual morality centre on marriage and the family as the bedrock of the whole structure of human society and are designed to protect and strengthen that divine institution. Bahá'í law thus restricts permissible sexual intercourse to that between a man and the woman to whom he is married.
(The Universal House of Justice, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 223)
I was participating in a discussion about homosexuality and found these facts:
Bryan, the original poster, shared:
In a 2004 article about a proposed root cause of homosexuality, David W. Gregg, Ph.D. writes [about gender],
"Since both options [male and female] are genetically available, a selection process is taking place. This process selects which part of the genetic code will be expressed and which will be suppressed. Included in this are the genetically carried codes for sexual attraction. At the appropriate stage of development, the sexual attraction program is selected irreversibly. It is as irreversible as the selection between a clitoris and penis. It is not clear exactly what stage this particular selection happens. It is only clear that it does happen. This is the point where an error is made for homosexuals. The inappropriate program is selected."
Dr. Gregg also claims that 3% of males, and 1% of females have this chemical yield that goes the wrong way, with nothing abnormal about the genetic makeup. This is corroborated by other sources claiming 2% of humans are born with a homosexual predisposition with no genetic link.
"Since both options [male and female] are genetically available, a selection process is taking place. This process selects which part of the genetic code will be expressed and which will be suppressed. Included in this are the genetically carried codes for sexual attraction. At the appropriate stage of development, the sexual attraction program is selected irreversibly. It is as irreversible as the selection between a clitoris and penis. It is not clear exactly what stage this particular selection happens. It is only clear that it does happen. This is the point where an error is made for homosexuals. The inappropriate program is selected."
Dr. Gregg also claims that 3% of males, and 1% of females have this chemical yield that goes the wrong way, with nothing abnormal about the genetic makeup. This is corroborated by other sources claiming 2% of humans are born with a homosexual predisposition with no genetic link.
The statistics I found were [with editing]:
The zygote studies proving some genetic predisoposition to homosexual impulses (Biological Factors in the Development of Sexual Orientation in in Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Identities and Youth: Psychological Perspectives) need to compare the total number of people it found have a predisposition to homosexuality to those who say they are actively homosexual. The same comparison to to be made for the epigenetic studies about homosexuality (Extreme skewing of X chromosone activation in homosexual men, Bocklandt). Psychology has not explained why having older siblings changes ones' likelihood to become homosexual (H-Y antigen and homosexuality in men). The only study I know of establishing how much of the population is genetically predisposed towards homosexuality to any degree is the one Bryan stated. Also, if a person's genetic makeup is mixed up or malformed to some degree does not mean that that person MUST undertake homosexual acts, and the study Bryan stated I do not think stated how strongly those predispositions would affect a person or if there were degrees. The choice to behave homosexually might also be affected by psychological reasons, no one of which has been proven or disproven by a direct study to be related to homosexuality.
There is evidence though that while at least some of the population is genetically mixed up, at most a very small percentage, the question comes back to what those people should do and the morality of sexual activity outside of a useful marriage, which Bryan originally set out to address.
One statistic that points to other causes for some homosexual behavior is that 30-40% of homeless youth call themselves homosexual (Seattle Commission on Children and Youth) higher forty times than the occurence in the overall population, and all people who describe themselves as homosexual have a higher rate of suicides, drug abuse, eating disorders, and other signs of serious depression and sadness due to things not being right that cannot be accounted for by their genetics and has not been traced to a likely cause. All of those symptoms might be explainable by psychological influences that also hold weight for explaining homosexual behavior.
One statistic that points to other causes for some homosexual behavior is that 30-40% of homeless youth call themselves homosexual (Seattle Commission on Children and Youth) higher forty times than the occurence in the overall population, and all people who describe themselves as homosexual have a higher rate of suicides, drug abuse, eating disorders, and other signs of serious depression and sadness due to things not being right that cannot be accounted for by their genetics and has not been traced to a likely cause. All of those symptoms might be explainable by psychological influences that also hold weight for explaining homosexual behavior.
I found some statistics about the incidence of homosexuality among general populations:http://en.wikipedia.org/wi
And those that actively identify as homosexual number around 2%, approximately matching the amount that should be genetically pre-disposed to it according to the study Bryan cited.
And those that actively identify as homosexual number around 2%, approximately matching the amount that should be genetically pre-disposed to it according to the study Bryan cited.
Children have been raised by heterosexual couples throughout the majority of history until the recent possibility and advent of adoptions. A serious look needs to be made at how children might be affected by the alien experience of being raised by a pair composed of only one gender.
33% of children raised by a homosexual couple actively identify as homosexual, 15 times more than in the average population and what genetics says people should be predisposed to (A study by a Dr. Cameron, Journal of Biosocial Science)
A report from the Children Australia journal found the following:
“a sample of 174 primary school children living in
three different types of families…58 children of heterosexual cohabiting couples, 58 children of heterosexual married couples and 58 children of homosexual (47 lesbian and 11 gay) couples,” all of which included “at least one of their biological parents.” The children were "matched according to age, gender, year of study, and parental characteristics (education, occupation, and employment status).”
Sotirios Sarantakos, “Children in three contexts: Family, education and social development,”
• The ratings of children’s achievement in this study were “collected primarily from teachers and only secondarily from parents and children."
The author notes that this subjects the results to possible bias on the part of the teachers. (However, it avoids the risk of bias that comes from self-reporting on the part of homosexual parents and their children, who may have a vested interest in trying to show how successful they are.)
It should also be noted that all of the children in this study were being raised by couples, not by single parents. This does away with the argument that what is important for kids is having two parents (of any gender), rather than having
a mother and a father specifically.
Sarantakos found that the children of married couples did the best, and the children of homosexual couples did the worst, in nine out of thirteen
• Mathematics
• Attitude to School and to Learning
• Parent-School Relationship
• Sex Identity (i.e., gender roles)
• School-Related Support (e.g., parents’ help with homework)
• Parental
There were only three areas in which the children of homosexuals scored higher
• Social Studies
• Personal Autonomy (of the child)
• Household Tasks (i.e., the contribution children make to them)
The report says “there were no statistically significant differences…regarding control and punishment of children.”
The author concludes:
• “Overall, the study has shown that children of married couples are more likely to do well at school, in academic and social terms, than children of cohabiting heterosexual and homosexual couples.”
33% of children raised by a homosexual couple actively identify as homosexual, 15 times more than in the average population and what genetics says people should be predisposed to (A study by a Dr. Cameron, Journal of Biosocial Science)
A report from the Children Australia journal found the following:
“a sample of 174 primary school children living in
three different types of families…58 children of heterosexual cohabiting couples, 58 children of heterosexual married couples and 58 children of homosexual (47 lesbian and 11 gay) couples,” all of which included “at least one of their biological parents.” The children were "matched according to age, gender, year of study, and parental characteristics (education, occupation, and employment status).”
Sotirios Sarantakos, “Children in three contexts: Family, education and social development,”
• The ratings of children’s achievement in this study were “collected primarily from teachers and only secondarily from parents and children."
The author notes that this subjects the results to possible bias on the part of the teachers. (However, it avoids the risk of bias that comes from self-reporting on the part of homosexual parents and their children, who may have a vested interest in trying to show how successful they are.)
It should also be noted that all of the children in this study were being raised by couples, not by single parents. This does away with the argument that what is important for kids is having two parents (of any gender), rather than having
a mother and a father specifically.
Sarantakos found that the children of married couples did the best, and the children of homosexual couples did the worst, in nine out of thirteen
• Mathematics
• Attitude to School and to Learning
• Parent-School Relationship
• Sex Identity (i.e., gender roles)
• School-Related Support (e.g., parents’ help with homework)
• Parental
There were only three areas in which the children of homosexuals scored higher
• Social Studies
• Personal Autonomy (of the child)
• Household Tasks (i.e., the contribution children make to them)
The report says “there were no statistically significant differences…regarding control and punishment of children.”
The author concludes:
• “Overall, the study has shown that children of married couples are more likely to do well at school, in academic and social terms, than children of cohabiting heterosexual and homosexual couples.”
Children from families led by a married, heterosexual couple that is composed of the child's parents also, compared to any other parenting arrangement, have much lower rates of:
• premarital childbearing;
Kristin A. Moore, “Nonmarital School-Age Motherhood: Family, Individual, and School Characteristics,” Journal of Adolescent Research 13 (October 1998), 433–457.
• illicit drug use;
John P. Hoffman and Robert A. Johnson, “A National Portrait of Family Structure and Adolescent Drug Use,” Journal of Marriage and the Family 60 (August 1998), 633–645.
• arrest;
Chris Coughlin and Samuel Vucinich, “Family Experience in Preadolescence and the Development of Male Delinquency,” Journal of Marriage and the Family 58 (May 1996), 491–501.
• health, emotional, or behavioral problems;
Deborah A. Dawson, “Family Structure and Children’s Health and Well-Being: Data from the 1988 National Health Interview Survey on Child Health,” Journal of Marriage and the Family 53
(August 1991), 573–584.
• poverty;
Federal Interagency Forum on Child and Family Statistics, America’s Children: Key Indicators of Well-Being 2001, Washington, D.C., 14.
• or school failure or expulsion.
(Dawson, op.cit.).
• These benefits are then passed on to future generations as well,because children raised by married parents are themselves less likely to cohabit or to divorce as adults.
Paul R. Amato and Alan Booth, A Generation at Risk: Growing Up in an Era of Family Upheaval, Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard University Press, 1997, 111–115.
• premarital childbearing;
Kristin A. Moore, “Nonmarital School-Age Motherhood: Family, Individual, and School Characteristics,” Journal of Adolescent Research 13 (October 1998), 433–457.
• illicit drug use;
John P. Hoffman and Robert A. Johnson, “A National Portrait of Family Structure and Adolescent Drug Use,” Journal of Marriage and the Family 60 (August 1998), 633–645.
• arrest;
Chris Coughlin and Samuel Vucinich, “Family Experience in Preadolescence and the Development of Male Delinquency,” Journal of Marriage and the Family 58 (May 1996), 491–501.
• health, emotional, or behavioral problems;
Deborah A. Dawson, “Family Structure and Children’s Health and Well-Being: Data from the 1988 National Health Interview Survey on Child Health,” Journal of Marriage and the Family 53
(August 1991), 573–584.
• poverty;
Federal Interagency Forum on Child and Family Statistics, America’s Children: Key Indicators of Well-Being 2001, Washington, D.C., 14.
• or school failure or expulsion.
(Dawson, op.cit.).
• These benefits are then passed on to future generations as well,because children raised by married parents are themselves less likely to cohabit or to divorce as adults.
Paul R. Amato and Alan Booth, A Generation at Risk: Growing Up in an Era of Family Upheaval, Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard University Press, 1997, 111–115.
Homosexual relationships are 1/10 as likely to last 20 years or longer compared to the heterosexual marriage, male homosexuals are 1/40 as likely to be sexually faithful to their sexual partner than married heterosexuals, are homosexuals are 2 times as likely to engage in violence with their sexual partner than the cohabiting heterosexual couple and 173 times more likely than the married heterosexual couple (http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02) and psychology has shown that secure, joyful attachment other individuals is associated with a desire a long-term relationships and fidelity in romantic relationships (The development of commitment and attachment in dating relationships: attachment security as relationship construct. Journal of Adolescence and Attachment style, gender, and relationship stability: A longitudinal analysis. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology).
Statistics show that people are capable of remaining celibate, as this survey of priests shows:
Statistics show that people are capable of remaining celibate, as this survey of priests shows:
| Diocese | Priests Responding | Yes | No | Unsure |
| Albany | 69 of 243 [28%] | 62% | 35% | 3% |
| Baltimore | 93 of 238 [39%] | 65% | 32% | 3% |
| Belleville | 55 of 159 [35%] | 71% | 25% | 4% |
| Boston | 321 of 1524 [21%] | 66% | 28% | 5% |
| Buffalo | 162 of 550 [29%] | 66% | 23% | 11% |
| Cincinnati | 174 of 542 [32%] | 67% | 29% | 4% |
| Cleveland | 114 of 500 [23%] | 64% | 32% | 4% |
| Columbus | 83 of 238 [35%] | 60% | 36% | 4% |
| Covington | 34 of 93 [37%] | 53% | 47% | 0% |
| Detroit | 160 of 768 [21%] | 70% | 24% | 2% |
| Denver | 78 of 292 [27%] | 58% | 37% | 5% |
| Dubuque | 101 of 222 [45%] | 56% | 40% | 4% |
| El Paso | 29 of 104 [28%] | 72% | 17% | 10% |
| Fall River | 78 of 237 [34%] | 65% | 26% | 8% |
| 28 of 109 [26%] | 36% | 64% | 0% | |
| Fort Worth | 40 of 109 [36%] | 60% | 30% | 10% |
| Fresno | 34 of 114 [30%] | 56% | 41% | 3% |
| Gallup | 15 of 85 [18%] | 60% | 40% | 0% |
| Gaylord | 15 of 78 [19%] | 67% | 27% | 7% |
| Grand Rapids | 30 of 135 [22%] | 61% | 35% | 0% |
| Green Bay | 106 of 329 [32%] | 77% | 21% | 2% |
| Harrisburg | 19 of 91 [21%] | 32% | 63% | 5% |
| Indianapolis | 51 of 166 [31%] | 84% | 16% | 0% |
| Kalamazoo | 16 of 69 [23%] | 38% | 50% | 13% |
| LaCrosse | 93 of 223 [42%] | 55% | 42% | 3% |
| Lansing | 49 of 185 [26%] | 68% | 26% | 4% |
| Las Cruces | 24 of 75 [32%] | 76% | 12% | 8% |
| Las Vegas | 23 of 77 [30%] | 87% | 13% | 0% |
| Los Angeles | 121 of 965 [13%] | 70% | 23% | 4% |
| Madison | 81 of 162 [50%] | 62% | 30% | 7% |
| Marquette | 13 of 101 [13%] | 50% | 31% | 0% |
| Monterey | 42 of 134 [31%] | 57% | 40% | 2% |
| Oakland | 126 of 301 [42%] | 84% | 13% | 2% |
| Oklahoma City | 46 of 121 [38%] | 57% | 39% | 4% |
| Orange | 40 of 164 [24%] | 68% | 25% | 8% |
| Paterson, NJ | 77 of 299 [26%] | 74% | 23% | 3% |
| Philadelphia | 128 of 900 [14%] | 47% | 50% | 3% |
| Phoenix | 100 of 304 [33%] | 77% | 19% | 4% |
| Providence | 123 of 400 [31%] | 51% | 46% | 2% |
| Pueblo | 26 of 84 [31%] | 69% | 23% | 8% |
| Raleigh | 44 of 155 [ 29%] | 79% | 16% | 5% |
| Rochester | 102 of 294 [35%] | 69% | 22% | 10% |
| Sacramento | 66 of 215 [31%] | 73% | 24% | 3% |
| Saginaw | 29 of 120 [24%] | 77% | 16% | 0% |
| San Bernardino | 62 of 258 [24%] | 75% | 17% | 6% |
| San Diego | 71 of 329 [22%] | 73% | 24% | 3% |
| San Francisco | 104 of 319 [33%] | 68% | 26% | 6% |
| San Jose | 66 of 184 [36%] | 70% | 23% | 8% |
| Santa Fe | 75 of 203 [37%] | 68% | 31% | 1% |
| Seattle | 68 of 290 [23%] | 79% | 16% | 4% |
| Steubenville | 30 of 57 [53%] | 57% | 40% | 3% |
| Stockton | 23 of 72 [32%] | 48% | 48% | 4% |
| Superior | 50 of 89 [56%] | 67% | 33% | 2% |
| Syracuse | 132 of 312 [42%] | 73% | 20% | 6% |
| Toledo | 78 of 210 [37%] | 77% | 22% | 1% |
| Tucson | 64 of 193 [33%] | 70% | 27% | 3% |
| Venice | 51 of 164 [31%] | 73% | 18% | 10% |
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